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gamechanger2011 Champion Author Wichita Posts:1,525 Points:54,110 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Mar 1, 2012 12:42:20 PM Ignore gamechanger2011 Report Abuse Just checking to see if anyone on this sight is pro ethanol. There seems to be lot of "haters". I think that the pro ethanol people should have a place to post.

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Just checking to see if anyone on this sight is pro ethanol. There seems to be lot of "haters". I think that the pro ethanol people should have a place to post.

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inchgallo Rookie Author Manitoba Posts:46 Points:11,220 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 11:10:23 AM Ignore inchgallo Report Abuse Pro ethanol seems to be a study for me . I need info on the pros of it does it keep my system clean does it reduce emissions etc
inchgallo Rookie Author Manitoba Posts:46 Points:11,220 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Apr 26, 2012 9:42:34 AM Ignore inchgallo Report Abuse Great subject Ethanol, here in Canada no choice 10 percent added by law. i have a few concerns , for the car iam always moving and burning and mixing seems to work OK i still think the BTU per gallon is lower but i will keep that for another time, my problem is with power sport equipment Atv,s, sleds, boats we operate these units and then they sit a week a month etc it seems that the Ethanol separates from the gas, any ideas i will do more reading is there something to add to help it stay together
gamechanger2011 Champion Author Wichita Posts:1,525 Points:54,110 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Apr 18, 2012 9:43:26 PM Ignore gamechanger2011 Report Abuse timmyc4...happy to hear it! :)
timmyC4 Veteran Author Twin Cities Posts:417 Points:60,600 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Apr 18, 2012 4:03:52 PM Ignore timmyC4 Report Abuse I'm for it.
gamechanger2011 Champion Author Wichita Posts:1,525 Points:54,110 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Apr 18, 2012 12:37:05 PM Ignore gamechanger2011 Report Abuse Thanks you Banjoe...I appreciate your comments! Hopefully we can start having some civil conversations on the subject. I love Will Ferrel and I will use his "Anchorman, The Legend of Ron Burgundy" quote..."Keep it classy GB"! :) [Edited by: gamechanger2011 at 4/18/2012 12:37:51 PM EST]
Banjoe Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:4,223 Points:611,260 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Apr 18, 2012 11:11:51 AM Ignore Banjoe Report Abuse gamechanger2011 - you have chosen an apt name as you consistenly promote and steer discussions to very positive places and I thank you for that. I've never gotten a hint of an agenda other than trying to facilitate positive dialog. From the ranting this topic produces, I can certainly understand that many people would consider calm inquiry as an evil agenda if not an outright conspiracy. Keep up the great outlook, the positive stance, and know that there are admiring folk out here that may be too afraid to offer an opinion or insight just to have to wade through yet another flame war. Hopefully the group will follow your naming convention and shift their thinking to learning from each other instead of trying to shout down the hint of an opposing view. I'm taking the optimistic stance on your efforts so please keep them up.
GM1954 Champion Author Illinois Posts:7,950 Points:131,880 Joined:Dec 2004	Message Posted: Apr 18, 2012 10:47:28 AM Ignore GM1954 Report Abuse "Just about every news organization on the planet has done stories over the past 5 years on to fossil fuel energy that goes into growing corn and making ethanol, same with the water usage." News stories are just that: stories. Rather than following the lemmings, go to original source references. The people at Argonne Natioinal Labs have done a great job of documenting the issues you list. None are what you say. "None of this requires a great deal of research, just taking a few minutes to educate yourself." It's obvious you have just taken a few minutes to educate yourself. Energy Balance of Ethanol [Edited by: GM1954 at 4/18/2012 10:51:30 AM EST]
jacksfan Champion Author Lincoln Posts:2,554 Points:1,235,205 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Apr 18, 2012 10:00:42 AM Ignore jacksfan Report Abuse "Too many to list." You can't be serious. First, according to NationalAtlas.gov, there are no aquifers under Dallas/Fort Worth. Think Dallas/Fort Worth water issues might be due to record drought? Population? Do you think? "Ask any farmer"? Clearly, you haven't. "down years to recharge"? It's called crop rotation -- corn/soybeans/corn. It's a standard farming practice. News organizations covering fossil fuel energy that goes into growing corn and making ethanol? Hope they got their stories right: 1)?It?takes?more?energy?to make?ethanol?than?the?fuel itself?produces. Reality: Not so. Critics like to cite a 2005 study that shows a negative energy balance for ethanol, but that study was coauthored by a former oil company employee. It is contradicted by five others showing that corn ethanol delivers 20 to 50 percent more energy output than it takes to produce, and cellulosic up to 600 percent more. The National Resources Defense Council calls corn ethanol "energy well spent. "None of this requires a great deal of research, just taking a few minutes to educate yourself." Good idea. Looks like it's time for you to heed your own advice. [Edited by: jacksfan at 4/18/2012 10:10:20 AM EST]
TJW68 Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:11,799 Points:2,280,750 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Apr 18, 2012 9:25:19 AM Ignore TJW68 Report Abuse "Uses more fossil fuels to grow and process; huge waster of water resources in processing; lowers gas mileage; promotes increased production of corn, the worst crop you can plant for the soil, brutal on older engines." Did you make that up or do you have a credible source for your information? Too many to list. Just about every news organization on the planet has done stories over the past 5 years on to fossil fuel energy that goes into growing corn and making ethanol, same with the water usage. It's a huge problem down in Texas where an ethanol plant is literally pushing the aquafer under the Dallss-Fort Worth area past its level of sustainability. The lower gas mileage and problem with small/older engines even an ethanol supporter will admit. Ask any farmer what crop is the harshest on his fields, requiring the most frequent down years to "recharge" or plant alternate crops and they'll tell you it's corn. None of this requires a great deal of research, just taking a few minutes to educate yourself. Even environmental groups like The Sierra Club and their ilk no longer endorse the use of ethanol, particularly when it comes from food crops.
gamechanger2011 Champion Author Wichita Posts:1,525 Points:54,110 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 12:33:52 PM Ignore gamechanger2011 Report Abuse Banjoe...I think that you are right in saying that the "ethanol forum" should be a place where people who want to inquire about ethanol, should be able to. I apologize to everyone for letting myself get so upset at times. It's not my character. In the future I intend to avoid arguments. There's a big difference to me between debating and attacks. I took up for a young person, from their posts on another forum, has autism. I knew that we were dealing with something...just wasn't sure what. I was concerned about this person. It can get pretty tough on this site, even for me. [Edited by: gamechanger2011 at 4/17/2012 12:40:29 PM EST]
gamechanger2011 Champion Author Wichita Posts:1,525 Points:54,110 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 12:21:21 PM Ignore gamechanger2011 Report Abuse Banjoe...not sure if I'm understanding you. I think that I'm understanding what your saying. This topic was started March 1 when I first started. It certainly brought a lot of controversy. The reason that I started posting was so that people that were searching, could get facts. Some of us actually have experience with ethanol and know a little about it. We have stations where we have blender pumps at one and E85 at the other. I talk to a lot of people every day that are using it and like the results. I think that personal testimonies are an excellent source of information. I get blamed for having an agenda because we have stations, that by the way sell E10 unleaded as well. I just happen to believe in ethanol.
goldseeker Champion Author West Virginia Posts:19,522 Points:2,715,890 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:16:24 AM Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse " harmful to fuel systems. " Your are right GM1954, someone needs to do their homework. Let me help them a little. This Chemical Compatibility chart is quite easy to use. Just got to the right table and click on ethanol, and then go to the left table and click on material. Then click on the (see results) button. As you can see ethanol has an good to excellent rating on many substances including most elastomers. Now just for fun lets look at benzene, a common component is gasoline, and lets see what happens to neoprene which is a common polymer used for fuel lines. Wow! D, severe effect. But when you compare the results for ethanol you get A, excellent. Hmmmmmm. Do you suppose the folks at Cole Pamer know what they are talking about? Oh, and while you are at it let's try gasoline, unleaded and natural rubber. Also try natural rubber and ethanol. Surprise!!! Actually, I have a similar compatibility chart from Dupont, and you will get the same results. Now I am not going to tell you that ethanol is compatible with everything, but it far better and on a wider variety of materials than other common components of gasoline. [Edited by: goldseeker at 4/17/2012 8:17:57 AM EST]
Banjoe Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:4,223 Points:611,260 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 7:46:41 AM Ignore Banjoe Report Abuse I strongly support this paradigm shift - but only if it makes engineering and financial sense. The problem I'm seeing is that this topic draws immediate reaction and correspondinly idiotic reactions in a never ending circle. Toss in a few high school gas laws, philiosophical viewpoints, think of the children pandering, and bind it all together with the political/conspiracy coocoobat platforms and the few interested parties just wander away dazed that anything ever gets done in the world. Sorry gamechanger2011 but that was a long way around to say there should be no pro- or anti-ethanol folks on this sight; only those seeking the truth of the matter and willing to share the realities of this topic with the few rest of us.
GM1954 Champion Author Illinois Posts:7,950 Points:131,880 Joined:Dec 2004	Message Posted: Apr 16, 2012 5:50:39 PM Ignore GM1954 Report Abuse "Ethanol fuel, your subsidized fuel, because it cannot make it on its own and is harmful to fuel systems. " Do your homework.
pilot1999 Rookie Author Cleveland Posts:13 Points:11,510 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Apr 16, 2012 5:30:52 PM Ignore pilot1999 Report Abuse gamechanger2011, you just did. Ethanol fuel, your subsidized fuel, because it cannot make it on its own and is harmful to fuel systems.
timmyC4 Veteran Author Twin Cities Posts:417 Points:60,600 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Apr 16, 2012 1:11:32 PM Ignore timmyC4 Report Abuse I'm all for it. Like the Gov't ! You should use it !
gamechanger2011 Champion Author Wichita Posts:1,525 Points:54,110 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Apr 16, 2012 12:28:10 PM Ignore gamechanger2011 Report Abuse furball64801....no lean start issues in over 60% blends on your PT Cruiser? We have tried up to E40 in our non FFV. No MPG change either. Ethanol is higher octane and cleaner burning so it doesn't surprise me!
furball64801 Champion Author Missouri Posts:4,314 Points:113,265 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Apr 16, 2012 12:10:33 PM Ignore furball64801 Report Abuse Works great for me, I have been using it over 6 yrs in my non ffv Pt Cruiser no repairs on this car at all. I have been driving over 45 yrs and have had many cars. This stuff works great for me I use well over 60% mix and it never gives me an issue my car loves it.
gamechanger2011 Champion Author Wichita Posts:1,525 Points:54,110 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Apr 16, 2012 11:02:28 AM Ignore gamechanger2011 Report Abuse tlhIngan said.... "Well, I just filled-up with gasoline which may contain up to 10% ethanol for the very first time. I also did a lot of maintenance on that vehicle this past week (new fuel filter, new oxygen sensors and new spark plugs), so it will be anybody's guess as to what caused an improvement in fuel efficiency, if there is any. The fuel or the car? What are people's real life experience with ethanol-blended fuel?" Many of us have improved or the same MPG with E10 to E50 blends. Thanks for your post. We have used up to E40 in a non FFV and had the same gas mileage as E10. Ethanol is higher octane so E10 is higher octane then E0 also. There are many people who post here that can tell you their own personal experiences! [Edited by: gamechanger2011 at 4/16/2012 11:04:01 AM EST]
GM1954 Champion Author Illinois Posts:7,950 Points:131,880 Joined:Dec 2004	Message Posted: Apr 16, 2012 10:42:53 AM Ignore GM1954 Report Abuse "Uses more fossil fuels to grow and process; huge waster of water resources in processing; lowers gas mileage; promotes increased production of corn, the worst crop you can plant for the soil, brutal on older engines." Did you make that up or do you have a credible source for your information?
TJW68 Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:11,799 Points:2,280,750 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Apr 16, 2012 10:36:45 AM Ignore TJW68 Report Abuse What's to like about it? Uses more fossil fuels to grow and process; huge waster of water resources in processing; lowers gas mileage; promotes increased production of corn, the worst crop you can plant for the soil, brutal on older engines. Where exactly is the upside??
tlhIngan_ Champion Author Calgary Posts:2,005 Points:387,710 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Apr 16, 2012 10:28:28 AM Ignore tlhIngan_ Report Abuse Well, I just filled-up with gasoline which may contain up to 10% ethanol for the very first time. I also did a lot of maintenance on that vehicle this past week (new fuel filter, new oxygen sensors and new spark plugs), so it will be anybody's guess as to what caused an improvement in fuel efficiency, if there is any. The fuel or the car? What are people's real life experience with ethanol-blended fuel?
timmyC4 Veteran Author Twin Cities Posts:417 Points:60,600 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Apr 16, 2012 10:04:34 AM Ignore timmyC4 Report Abuse Lot of real life experience as far as MPG is concerned here.
gamechanger2011 Champion Author Wichita Posts:1,525 Points:54,110 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Apr 15, 2012 5:20:10 PM Ignore gamechanger2011 Report Abuse European Energy ReviewRay...I reposted your link for you. Thanks
Ray Veteran Author Toronto Posts:324 Points:31,860 Joined:Dec 2001	Message Posted: Apr 15, 2012 1:22:43 PM Ignore Ray Report Abuse works well in purpose-built engines http://www.europeanenergyreview.eu/site/pagina.php?id=3146&zoek=clean%20tech
gamechanger2011 Champion Author Wichita Posts:1,525 Points:54,110 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 3:12:47 AM Ignore gamechanger2011 Report Abuse A guy in ElDorado converted the Freedom Bus. He had a hummer as well that he converted. We met everyone because we were the closest place to get E85.
gamechanger2011 Champion Author Wichita Posts:1,525 Points:54,110 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 3:10:49 AM Ignore gamechanger2011 Report Abuse April 8th was my birthday. We were out of town when you left the message. I haven't been over there until now. I just left you a message over there!
goldseeker Champion Author West Virginia Posts:19,522 Points:2,715,890 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 3:00:19 AM Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse A few years ago I saw a video about a guy in California that was buying E98 direct from an ethanol plant and using it in his Hummer. I remember him having a dyno test and it was producing gobs of horsepower.
goldseeker Champion Author West Virginia Posts:19,522 Points:2,715,890 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2012 2:57:24 AM Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse Gamechanger. I look for you from time to time on PlanetE85 and have even left a message or two for you. So far no response.
gamechanger2011 Champion Author Wichita Posts:1,525 Points:54,110 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Mar 30, 2012 10:27:58 PM Ignore gamechanger2011 Report Abuse JonnyEnergy...If Josh and Rebecca had found out about you I think that they would have used you for the conversion. They are awesome people! Do you carry the O2 sensor. Miles are 56K. You can PM me and tell me the price! Thanks! [Edited by: gamechanger2011 at 3/30/2012 10:29:15 PM EST]
JonnyEnergyE85 Rookie Author Illinois Posts:32 Points:720 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Mar 30, 2012 6:22:09 PM Ignore JonnyEnergyE85 Report Abuse " JonnyE....that's what I thought. The high octane in E85 should work great. What has to be changed to convert it?" The only thing that needs to be changed is the O2 sensor if the sensor has more than 60000 miles on it. As far as the Freedom Bus goes... The kit they are using is the same one I carry. Josh and Rebecca are great people.
wheels045 Rookie Author Illinois Posts:91 Points:16,675 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Mar 30, 2012 1:06:49 PM Ignore wheels045 Report Abuse I use E85 in my Silverado when I can is it me or dose the milage drop when I use it?
gamechanger2011 Champion Author Wichita Posts:1,525 Points:54,110 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Mar 30, 2012 12:24:34 PM Ignore gamechanger2011 Report Abuse JonnyE....the guy that did the conversion on the Freedom Bus converted a Hummer. He lives in ElDorado and does conversions for celebrities. That's how the Tickell's found him
gamechanger2011 Champion Author Wichita Posts:1,525 Points:54,110 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Mar 30, 2012 12:07:10 PM Ignore gamechanger2011 Report Abuse JonnyE....that's what I thought. The high octane in E85 should work great. What has to be changed to convert it? [Edited by: gamechanger2011 at 3/30/2012 12:07:41 PM EST]
jamieg2012 Veteran Author Sioux Falls Posts:286 Points:11,385 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Mar 30, 2012 10:43:11 AM Ignore jamieg2012 Report Abuse good to see johnny e here he did give good advice when using e mail from his site now all i have to do is find the ecu for flex that is only sold in brazil
JonnyEnergyE85 Rookie Author Illinois Posts:32 Points:720 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Mar 30, 2012 8:59:32 AM Ignore JonnyEnergyE85 Report Abuse JonnyE I had someone ask about converting a '06 Supercharged Range Rover. It takes premium only...needs high octane. Could it be converted to use E85? It can be converted easily to Flex Fuel and the person can then really take advantage of high octane E85.
GM1954 Champion Author Illinois Posts:7,950 Points:131,880 Joined:Dec 2004	Message Posted: Mar 30, 2012 7:22:12 AM Ignore GM1954 Report Abuse "I LOVEEEE pure gasoline!" Actually there isn't such a thing. Gasoline is a cocktail of over 500 different chemicals, mixed in a fashion to have specific properties. Those chemicals usually include Toluene, xylene, butane, isobutane, heptane, hexane, cyclohexane, pentane,isopentane, benzene, cyclohexane, octane, isooctane. Some of these are toxic and carcinogenic. If both fuels (ethanol and gasoline) were new to the market today and the industry had to standardize on one, gasoline wouldn't have a chance.
goldseeker Champion Author West Virginia Posts:19,522 Points:2,715,890 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 30, 2012 6:35:01 AM Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse "I LOVEEEE pure gasoline!" Huh! And just what is pure about gasoline? Did you know that it is composed of many toxic cancer causing substances? If you think it is so pure, hows about drinking a shot of it.
antiguzzle Sophomore Author Wichita Posts:237 Points:20,545 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Mar 30, 2012 1:48:26 AM Ignore antiguzzle Report Abuse "We need a real forum where we can ban idiots and delete their non-sense :)" Stifle free speech? Sounds like the Obama administration. I just filled up on E0 (PURE GASOLINE) 89 Octane for $3.87. I averaged 42mpg's on my last tank. I drove straight home on a low-traffic street averaging around 50 mph with a couple stop signs and stop lights. I pulled the car in the garage with the tripometer showing 50.3 mpg's!!!!! There is no way I will average that over the life of the tank, but my car is still breaking in. P.S. I LOVEEEE pure gasoline!
gamechanger2011 Champion Author Wichita Posts:1,525 Points:54,110 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Mar 30, 2012 12:48:53 AM Ignore gamechanger2011 Report Abuse WEOH....I couldn't agree more! Notice the Topic of the thread that I started. You wouldn't believe it. This was supposed to be a thread for pro ethanol people. The "haters" came out and tried to take it over. You can go to Planet E85....it's awesome....no knuckleheads over there! It's unusually quiet this evening. There's usually a lot of arguing going on. [Edited by: gamechanger2011 at 3/30/2012 12:55:01 AM EST]
WE0H Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:1,533 Points:479,315 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Mar 30, 2012 12:30:16 AM Ignore WE0H Report Abuse We need a real forum where we can ban idiots and delete their non-sense :)
gamechanger2011 Champion Author Wichita Posts:1,525 Points:54,110 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Mar 29, 2012 11:09:45 PM Ignore gamechanger2011 Report Abuse JonnyE I had someone ask about converting a '06 Supercharged Range Rover. It takes premium only...needs high octane. Could it be converted to use E85?
GBMAX Champion Author Phoenix Posts:4,638 Points:1,898,680 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: Mar 29, 2012 7:42:20 PM Ignore GBMAX Report Abuse Doubtful
JonnyEnergyE85 Rookie Author Illinois Posts:32 Points:720 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Mar 29, 2012 6:14:26 PM Ignore JonnyEnergyE85 Report Abuse I love when people quote consumers report and their highly scientific study on flex fuel vehicles. LOL. If you ever get a chance to talk to my 06 Ford please don't mention how bad her gas mileage should be on E85. I'm happy with 12% loss and don't want it to change. It does seem that the older ffvs did get mileage loss of around 20%. That has since improved. It does seem that converted cars using a kit like mine respond with less of a mileage loss.
thebrohta167 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:1,466 Points:235,315 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: Mar 29, 2012 6:10:26 PM Ignore thebrohta167 Report Abuse most certainly i am not one of them!!!!
krzysiek_ck Champion Author Illinois Posts:5,312 Points:726,210 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Mar 29, 2012 4:34:05 PM Ignore krzysiek_ck Report Abuse antiguzzle wrote: "You modified your car? You can get your car to run on old grease from McDonald's if you mod your car enough." How do you know that jacksfan's brother did not modify his car? Even if he did not, are you an expert on stock ECU's and their ability to adjust to the different Ethanol content? [Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 3/29/2012 4:36:15 PM EST]
antiguzzle Sophomore Author Wichita Posts:237 Points:20,545 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Mar 29, 2012 4:24:24 PM Ignore antiguzzle Report Abuse "antiguzzle, I have achieved the same MPG when switching from E10 to E35. I did this by adjusting timing and AFR. Are you going to tell me that you know better?" You modified your car? You can get your car to run on old grease from McDonald's if you mod your car enough. I'm not interested in voiding my warranty just to see if I can get my car to run on some politician's boutique fuel. My manual states my car is only certified to run E10 - no thanks - I'll stick to E0 and enjoy much better MPG's.
krzysiek_ck Champion Author Illinois Posts:5,312 Points:726,210 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Mar 29, 2012 4:12:26 PM Ignore krzysiek_ck Report Abuse antiguzzle, I have achieved the same MPG when switching from E10 to E35. I did this by adjusting timing and AFR. Are you going to tell me that you know better?
antiguzzle Sophomore Author Wichita Posts:237 Points:20,545 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Mar 29, 2012 3:58:06 PM Ignore antiguzzle Report Abuse "Wow! Where do you come up with this stuff? "common knowledge"? I suppose if that's all you want to hear, it's common knowledge. How do you know E-15 is worse? You can't even buy it. My brother drives thousands of miles in his sales job in a state where he has pretty good access to blender pumps. He's found he gets better MPG on E-20 or E-30 than he does on E-0. I think your common knowledge is sorely lacking." Correct me if I'm wrong; as the number next to E gets larger (i.e. E10, E15, E20), more alcohol is added to the fuel replacing pure gasoline. Is that Correct? Ok, I thought so. Since gasoline has more energy than alcohol, it provides more energy to the motor. However, the difference in energy does not translate directly to MPG's as many on here can attest. The energy difference between E10 and E0 is around 3%, but I get 10%+ better MPG's with E0. E85 is absolutely horrendous. Please read: "The Ethanol Myth" at c o n s u m e r r e p o r t s DOT o r g [Edited by: antiguzzle at 3/29/2012 3:59:07 PM EST]
antiguzzle Sophomore Author Wichita Posts:237 Points:20,545 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Mar 29, 2012 3:50:52 PM Ignore antiguzzle Report Abuse "Yep, you are a special cookie. The good news is that it could get even better. Bad MPG during new car break-in period" That's what I'm hoping for. I really try to take advantage of Ford's DFSO (Direct Fuel Shut-off) system when approaching lights or stop signs. I lift off the gas early and the car uses no fuel until I almost stop or press the accelerator. I make it into a game and it's fun. I also try to avoid idling as much as possible, but I do not shut my car off at stoplights like some of the hardcore hyper-milers do. If I find myself at a stoplight for a long time I know I made a mistake on my approach OR I got caught off guard and had to stop quickly.