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gougedQC Champion Author Montreal Posts:5,140 Points:69,985 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Dec 14, 2010 7:08:13 AM Ignore gougedQC Report Abuse well they are threatening to drop the penny again. Just think everything will be rounded up to the nearest nickel.. Dont need the penny you say? How about the fact that we are concerned about TENTHS of a penny when we look at gas prices!

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well they are threatening to drop the penny again. Just think everything will be rounded up to the nearest nickel..

Dont need the penny you say? How about the fact that we are concerned about TENTHS of a penny when we look at gas prices!

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Happyherman Champion Author Calgary Posts:19,100 Points:1,151,200 Joined:Apr 2002	Message Posted: Sep 16, 2012 10:11:47 PM Ignore Happyherman Report Abuse I know of several businesses that have already planned for the demise of the penny and many of their prices have been rounded DOWN!
after10 Veteran Author Hamilton Posts:397 Points:53,715 Joined:Jul 2012	Message Posted: Sep 16, 2012 8:42:27 PM Ignore after10 Report Abuse the penny will still be there ,but not for our use .Only for rounding up ,the opperative word is UP .As in you pay more for the same product ,you payed less for last week.
Happyherman Champion Author Calgary Posts:19,100 Points:1,151,200 Joined:Apr 2002	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2012 3:19:21 PM Ignore Happyherman Report Abuse From the electricians I know, it seems that most electrical stuff uses Philips, doesn't matter where it's made. Hate Philips and always replace with a good Robertson.
gougedQC Champion Author Montreal Posts:5,140 Points:69,985 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Aug 18, 2012 3:15:50 PM Ignore gougedQC Report Abuse The (Canadian) Robertson screw is a fantastic invention..Philips was a lame imitation and basically they suck..strip all the time! I still say that with the penny demise, eventually evertyhing will be rounded upward, not downward.
herbiepopnecker Champion Author British Columbia Posts:13,742 Points:2,534,030 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Aug 13, 2012 10:27:57 PM Ignore herbiepopnecker Report Abuse We just bought a house and did some remodelling. #1 was to get rid of every Phillips and slotted screw in the whole place. Next time you buy an electrical part, know that if there's slotted screws included, you're buying the most cheaply made likely to fail part they make. Phone and network jacks with Phillips screws - same thing. Of course you also need to watch out for cheaply made Robertson screws, if I need a box of them and they're an unfamiliar brand, I'll grab a driver off the shelf and stick one on. If the screw falls off, I don't buy that brand.
PennGas Champion Author Ontario Posts:71,581 Points:1,865,715 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Aug 13, 2012 5:50:27 PM Ignore PennGas Report Abuse Has anybody seen in the last 20 years or so, the combination Robertson/Phillips screws? You know, the ones where you can either use a Robertson or a Phillips on. I absolutely detest the Phillips screws! Not only are they easy to strip, they wobble like crazy and are a good way of perforating your fingers when the bit slips. About the only trade I know of in Canada that still religiously uses Phillips are the drywallers. They use it because the Robertson screws don't work well when they mud over the screws, it creates air bubbles. [Edited by: PennGas at 8/13/2012 5:56:47 PM EST]
Happyherman Champion Author Calgary Posts:19,100 Points:1,151,200 Joined:Apr 2002	Message Posted: Aug 13, 2012 1:06:02 PM Ignore Happyherman Report Abuse I watched a show on the Robertson screw on the Learning Channel catspaw. You know that Robertson made the screws and the drivers. He went to Ford in the USA and put togther a proposal for Henry. Henry wanted to make his own screws etc and pay a license fee. Robertson turned him down and about the same time the Philips screw was starting. Philips was more accomodating to Henry and the rest they say is history.
catspaw Champion Author Toronto Posts:29,929 Points:3,149,735 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Aug 13, 2012 12:27:54 PM Ignore catspaw Report Abuse "Will the US follow suit someday? Who knows?" judging from their past history when they've tried to go metric, when they tried to itroduce $2 bills, when they tried to introduce $1 coins, Robertson screws, etc, I'd guess that they won't be able to. They seem to have a problem with change.
rumbleseat Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:23,066 Points:3,550,100 Joined:Oct 2002	Message Posted: Aug 12, 2012 10:33:54 PM Ignore rumbleseat Report Abuse I am not saying it cant be handled, of course it can. We Canadians are smart people. I merely state there is a cost for implementation, and it is going to take a while which is why retail has convinced the government to hold off on starting to pull the penny until after Christmas so they can implement change in the slow season. I did not state the American experience as a criticism, I stated it as a different outlook from the country with the largest economy in the world. I still believe the people who will have the most problems are the smaller charities. Those little boxes in fast food restaurants that people drop pennies in raise many millions of dollars for charity, I hope people drop more nickels and dimes in, at least until the nickel is pulled.
herbiepopnecker Champion Author British Columbia Posts:13,742 Points:2,534,030 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Aug 12, 2012 10:19:15 PM Ignore herbiepopnecker Report Abuse I wasn't planning on buying a new till for my store. I really hope the young people I hire are capable of "rounding" up and down. I have visions of being interrupted in the office every five minutes with "It SAYS $1.98!!! What do I DO? What do I DO?"
Happyherman Champion Author Calgary Posts:19,100 Points:1,151,200 Joined:Apr 2002	Message Posted: Aug 12, 2012 9:22:29 PM Ignore Happyherman Report Abuse The demise of the penny from everyone's favourite source, the CBC. The demise of the penny by the CBC
Happyherman Champion Author Calgary Posts:19,100 Points:1,151,200 Joined:Apr 2002	Message Posted: Aug 12, 2012 9:14:35 PM Ignore Happyherman Report Abuse Just tell me rumble how things were worked out in the countries that dropped the penny. Like Australia and I think New Zealand. If it was handled okay there, I am certain it can be handled okay in Canada.
rumbleseat Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:23,066 Points:3,550,100 Joined:Oct 2002	Message Posted: Aug 12, 2012 8:10:17 PM Ignore rumbleseat Report Abuse Well, Mad, actually, it won't be that simple, most retailers ring in prices by UPC code, and nobody knows in advance whether the customer is paying by cash, credit, or debit. But the rounding up/down is going to be done on final total, not on individual items. With computerized registers, the rounding up/down would be done by the register after the order is totalled, at the point "cash" is entered. Your example, gouged, would apply to a single item transaction paid by cash. If that item, including tax, was $1.99, you would pay $2.00 if you paid cash. I would point out that the US government keeps the penny around ONLY for sales tax reasons, as uneven totals result in pennies needed to give proper change on cash transactions. The Harper government didn't take that into consideration in their decision to drop the penny from production and gradually pull it out of circulation. Will the US follow suit someday? Who knows?
Happyherman Champion Author Calgary Posts:19,100 Points:1,151,200 Joined:Apr 2002	Message Posted: Aug 12, 2012 12:29:59 PM Ignore Happyherman Report Abuse It's not two prices gouged. You just ring in two different transactions. Quite simple for today's computerized cash registers. That's what I learned from a bud who has a cash register business.
gougedQC Champion Author Montreal Posts:5,140 Points:69,985 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Aug 11, 2012 8:04:36 AM Ignore gougedQC Report Abuse have to agree with herbie, it will be far easier to track all ALL transactions..part of the electronic process is already here with your telephone being able to be scanned to pay for things...but the technology will move far forward from there, and Herbie scenario of implanted chips is not fantasy nor going off the deep end. Those people who think that A) its cool easy and convenient, and/or B) if I have nothing to hide, do not realize the Big Brother implications of being able to track your every move on earth 24/7 and every purchase/sale...and forget that what is legal today can be illegal tomorrow..history has shown us that repeatedly. meanwhile..how can items be sold for 1.99 if someone is paying cash..you cant have two prices..one for cash..another for credit/debit
Happyherman Champion Author Calgary Posts:19,100 Points:1,151,200 Joined:Apr 2002	Message Posted: Aug 10, 2012 11:45:11 PM Ignore Happyherman Report Abuse Sorry herbie, you are correct it's $30,000.
herbiepopnecker Champion Author British Columbia Posts:13,742 Points:2,534,030 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Aug 10, 2012 10:57:25 PM Ignore herbiepopnecker Report Abuse Actually you have to be under $30,000 to not collect and remit the GST. But that's why the drive to cashless society. So they can track every dime, and so the banks can impose defacto taxes under the guise of user fees. They've already replaced tens of thousands of tellers with ATMs that don't get sick, take coffee breaks, holidays or maternity leave. And they've found a way to convince everyone they're not saving a fortune, it's "costing" them so you need to pay more. Did you know RBC charges 2.75% to deposit cash in my business account? Why it "costs" them to handle that cash, but since the dawn of banking it's been WHAT THEY DO. And no MPs responded to my complaints that the banks are discounting the 'coin of the realm'.
Happyherman Champion Author Calgary Posts:19,100 Points:1,151,200 Joined:Apr 2002	Message Posted: Aug 10, 2012 12:35:57 PM Ignore Happyherman Report Abuse You know of course herbie that unless you have sales of $60,000 you don't need to collect GST but you can't claim the input tax credit. I think 99.9% of folks having garage sales would fall into that category. Why do you post these kinds of things? If in jest then I'm okay! Have a fun day out there in BC.
herbiepopnecker Champion Author British Columbia Posts:13,742 Points:2,534,030 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Aug 9, 2012 10:21:10 PM Ignore herbiepopnecker Report Abuse It's coming if you don't watch out. "Hi we're from the CRA and we noticed your wife had a garage sale last summer. We're here to collect the $1.12 in GST and $43,000.16 in fines and late penalties. And while your at it your 10 year old claims to have lent his friend a quarter. Does he have a receipt?" THAT'S what it's all about. [Edited by: herbiepopnecker at 8/9/2012 10:22:09 PM EST]
Happyherman Champion Author Calgary Posts:19,100 Points:1,151,200 Joined:Apr 2002	Message Posted: Aug 9, 2012 11:57:19 AM Ignore Happyherman Report Abuse Yeh a cheque would be annoying herbie but the cashless society is coming. Watched a show with the guy from Twitter and the guy from Starbucks talking about the new and coming way to pay for a coffee at Starbucks. Someday we will all have a chip implanted that will tell the barister what we want as we walk through the door. The barister will have it ready as we come to the counter and it will have all been paid for. He will just smile, hand us our coffee, thank Mr Herbie for dropping by and wish us a great day! Get ready folks, that day is closer than we think!
herbiepopnecker Champion Author British Columbia Posts:13,742 Points:2,534,030 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Aug 8, 2012 10:42:34 PM Ignore herbiepopnecker Report Abuse One thing that really annoys me is the number of people who don't even have cash for small items. They're using a debit or credit card for a $1.99 purchase. Blew my top at my staff for letting an old guy on crutches write our a cheque for $1.74. Told them they should just tell him to owe it and pay us next time he's there.
Silverdog1 Champion Author British Columbia Posts:15,097 Points:1,689,920 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Aug 8, 2012 12:49:52 PM Ignore Silverdog1 Report Abuse They should make a 2 penny coin and then we'd all be able to get our two cents worth in. [Edited by: Silverdog1 at 8/8/2012 12:51:01 PM EST]
Happyherman Champion Author Calgary Posts:19,100 Points:1,151,200 Joined:Apr 2002	Message Posted: Aug 8, 2012 9:27:05 AM Ignore Happyherman Report Abuse I agree rumble however what I was trying to say is that the demise of the penny doesn't mean the loss of selling something for $1.99. Some folks just don't realize that point.
rumbleseat Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:23,066 Points:3,550,100 Joined:Oct 2002	Message Posted: Aug 8, 2012 1:22:01 AM Ignore rumbleseat Report Abuse Mad, retail still handles an incredible amount of cash over the Christmas sales season. We may be heavy users of debit and credit, but cash is not anywhere near dead in any business from grocery to specialty stores to department stores. The job of changing computerized systems to round up and round down for cash transactions while not touching amounts for card transactions sounds so simple, but if it were so simple retail wouldn't have asked to be allowed to implement it in the slow time. [Edited by: rumbleseat at 8/8/2012 1:24:55 AM EST]
winterer Champion Author Alberta Posts:7,734 Points:1,028,955 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:52:56 PM Ignore winterer Report Abuse GougedQC; "Hitch-hikers Guide to the Universe"
gougedQC Champion Author Montreal Posts:5,140 Points:69,985 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 9:58:28 PM Ignore gougedQC Report Abuse once the penny is gone, the "42"answer to the universe will be rounded up to 45 regardless of cash or debit or credit transaction. the loss of the penny will cost consumers more.
Happyherman Champion Author Calgary Posts:19,100 Points:1,151,200 Joined:Apr 2002	Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 7:19:39 PM Ignore Happyherman Report Abuse Don't get the "Christmas" thing. Most folks today pay with debit or credit card that will be unaffected by the loss of the penny. You will be charged to the penny if paying this way. The only thing affected will be cash transactions. Amazing how few realize this is how things will happen.
freedom27 Champion Author Calgary Posts:2,412 Points:311,920 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 31, 2012 2:51:15 PM Ignore freedom27 Report Abuse Hooray, the penny lives another 8 months.
Happyherman Champion Author Calgary Posts:19,100 Points:1,151,200 Joined:Apr 2002	Message Posted: Jul 30, 2012 7:35:34 PM Ignore Happyherman Report Abuse The penny gets a reprieve. Last minute change for the death of the penny
Happyherman Champion Author Calgary Posts:19,100 Points:1,151,200 Joined:Apr 2002	Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 7:59:04 PM Ignore Happyherman Report Abuse Yeh, I'm lost in space and don't get out much.
winterer Champion Author Alberta Posts:7,734 Points:1,028,955 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Jul 26, 2012 2:13:15 AM Ignore winterer Report Abuse Catpaw I see this discussion must be confusing to those who try not read extensively, we could switch to the "Dialogues of Plato" or would that be too insulting to the non classicists. Sic transit Gloria Mundy. Winterer
winterer Champion Author Alberta Posts:7,734 Points:1,028,955 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Jul 25, 2012 3:16:58 PM Ignore winterer Report Abuse catspaw; it takes a different outlook to enjoy Adams, I got it. Winterer
catspaw Champion Author Toronto Posts:29,929 Points:3,149,735 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Jul 25, 2012 2:59:29 PM Ignore catspaw Report Abuse I believe you that's where it started winterer. It sounds like something Adams would have written. I just never really got into HHGtG. I realized it was satire, but it was just too outlandish for me to want to read (or watch).
winterer Champion Author Alberta Posts:7,734 Points:1,028,955 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Jul 25, 2012 12:14:11 AM Ignore winterer Report Abuse catspaw: Link to HHGtG Episode 1 part 3 Look at 5:12 HHGtG This is the start of bablefish. Winterer
Happyherman Champion Author Calgary Posts:19,100 Points:1,151,200 Joined:Apr 2002	Message Posted: Jul 24, 2012 10:58:56 PM Ignore Happyherman Report Abuse More baffle gab I see.
winterer Champion Author Alberta Posts:7,734 Points:1,028,955 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Jul 24, 2012 1:32:42 PM Ignore winterer Report Abuse Catspaw, there was two HHGTG shows, very similar plot but quite a few loss of humour , more silly in the last one, I like at the first, it was based a lot on sarcasm, better quirky music as well. Highlights, Vogan poetry , the improbability drive, and the electronic book "Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" The oldest is still available on line in different places like Youtube Have a good time searching. Winterer
catspaw Champion Author Toronto Posts:29,929 Points:3,149,735 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Jul 24, 2012 7:43:06 AM Ignore catspaw Report Abuse Thanks for the info on how it got its name winterer. I hadn't heard that before and always wondered. I'd started reading HGTTU years ago and quickly abandoned it. It just seemed silly. When the tv program came out, I tried again, but still didn't like it. So I probably missed the part about the fish which I would have then recognized.
Happyherman Champion Author Calgary Posts:19,100 Points:1,151,200 Joined:Apr 2002	Message Posted: Jul 24, 2012 12:05:45 AM Ignore Happyherman Report Abuse Thanks rumble. Up until your explanation, I had never heard of it.
rumbleseat Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:23,066 Points:3,550,100 Joined:Oct 2002	Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 7:00:52 PM Ignore rumbleseat Report Abuse Babelfish was launched by AltaVista in 1997. It went to Yahoo in 2003, and now defaults to the Bing Translator (microsofttranslator.com). There is also another babelfish (babelfish.com) operated by the Babelfish Corporation.
winterer Champion Author Alberta Posts:7,734 Points:1,028,955 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 3:02:58 PM Ignore winterer Report Abuse Hi Catspaw: I believe the term Bablefish came from a English T V program , "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy " Is was a real fish you stuck in your ear to translate any language in the Galaxy. The term was subsequently picked up by a Translation service/website as a name for their product, My preference is Google Translation, for me it is easier. All you have to do is add the word translation in google, first answer is usually their service. Last I have searched there is no credible translation service for most native American languages, most were and are spoke although most had pictico visuals on say birch bark to get the idea across, to my knowledge, only the Incas, mayan ,Aztec and perhaps a few pueblo peoples had a written form, in what was called codices, some of which survived the Spanish burning and have been found in the Vatican. Both Mayan and Aztec are now readable for the archaeologists, as a addendum , most of the Aztec writings/hieroglyphics were mostly P.R. for the Rulers of the day. "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" by author Douglas Adams are very interesting to read or view, definitely a different view of the world ( galaxy). My preference is the first BBC version, quirky robots et al. I you get a copy or see it on Knowledge network watch for the Vogans notice to earth, posted in a obscure place in the galaxy. And also notice the use of a towel. Winterer
catspaw Champion Author Toronto Posts:29,929 Points:3,149,735 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 12:27:50 AM Ignore catspaw Report Abuse "Babel fish? Sorry never heard of it." But rumbleseat mentioned it just a day ago, on the 21st.
herbiepopnecker Champion Author British Columbia Posts:13,742 Points:2,534,030 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 23, 2012 12:00:35 AM Ignore herbiepopnecker Report Abuse Google is your best friend.
Happyherman Champion Author Calgary Posts:19,100 Points:1,151,200 Joined:Apr 2002	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 6:29:48 PM Ignore Happyherman Report Abuse Babel fish? Sorry never heard of it.
catspaw Champion Author Toronto Posts:29,929 Points:3,149,735 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 6:07:58 PM Ignore catspaw Report Abuse fly, it's interesting that when I'm working in the US, most people face to face are about as polite as here. But I DO find a difference for sure when they're online. There's a few individuals who are extremely rude online, and all the while trying to blame it on others. (So much for taking responsibility for their actions) One thing I do find different is that in the US, people don't stand in line like we do, there's much more likely to be pushing and shoving to get to front.
catspaw Champion Author Toronto Posts:29,929 Points:3,149,735 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 6:01:28 PM Ignore catspaw Report Abuse I'd hardly call it 'hiding in the weeds' when anybody could use babelfish if they couldn't speak a language. I was sure you'd be smart enough to use a translation program if you really wanted to know what anybody was saying. For myself, I'm not fluent in either French or German, but I can at least carry on a conversation in either if I had to. A year or two ago I spoke French much better, but I've been working on German lately and now possibly speak it better than French. At least well enough to tell in most cases when somebody has used a translation program.
Happyherman Champion Author Calgary Posts:19,100 Points:1,151,200 Joined:Apr 2002	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 4:37:50 PM Ignore Happyherman Report Abuse Catspaw, guess you folks finally figured out I could understand all the French & Spanish posts here. It was however fun, hiding in the weeds.
catspaw Champion Author Toronto Posts:29,929 Points:3,149,735 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Jul 22, 2012 8:44:44 AM Ignore catspaw Report Abuse Rumbleseat, Was it that you've been practising being ridiculous for 65 years, or that you've been practising Spanish for that long? Your sentence could have gone either way. BTW, I have actually been studying German for years, not the babelfish type. My friend is German and it helps to follow the conversations when her family gets together. (She doesn't want me to let them know that I speak it. It gets interesting when they don't think I understand.)
flyboyUT Champion Author Utah Posts:23,164 Points:1,038,360 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jul 21, 2012 10:11:54 PM Ignore flyboyUT Report Abuse Hey Mad if your going to spread a little manners and courtesy around PLEASE come down south of you. Us Yanks need it in mega doses. [Edited by: flyboyUT at 7/21/2012 10:13:30 PM EST]
Happyherman Champion Author Calgary Posts:19,100 Points:1,151,200 Joined:Apr 2002	Message Posted: Jul 21, 2012 8:47:46 PM Ignore Happyherman Report Abuse From rumble: Whoopee, can publish in French. Most of us speak English, so enough showing off in order to look it! I agree rumble
herbiepopnecker Champion Author British Columbia Posts:13,742 Points:2,534,030 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 21, 2012 8:13:50 PM Ignore herbiepopnecker Report Abuse Yark! Yark yark yark! There. I can post in Pomeranian.....