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EV's only as Clean as the Electricity that Drives them

Oilprice.com -- Electric cars are the cleanest form of transport. Obviously more environmentally friendly than any petrol or diesel cars out there…that’s a given fact…isn’t it?

Well not necessarily. According to a new report by the Union of Concerned Scientists titled ‘State of Charge: Electric Vehicles’ Global Warming Emissions and Fuel Cost Savings Across the United States’, the amount of greenhouse gases released by as a result of charging the battery packs, varies greatly from State to State.

California’s clean energy mix makes the Nissan Leaf an environmental hero, whereas the coal –based electricity in Denver significantly reduces this claim.

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Submitted Apr 17, 2012 By: NOTSOGRN

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Eugenian Champion Author Oregon Posts:1,842 Points:358,130 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 9:05:21 PM Ignore Eugenian Report Abuse This is why we need to just say no to Big Coal and invest in more infrastructure to harness energy from solar, wind and ocean tide sources.
hoffbeck20 Veteran Author Minnesota Posts:278 Points:62,020 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 9:05:18 PM Ignore hoffbeck20 Report Abuse Yes. they really arent that clean..
Beaveronparade Champion Author Hartford Posts:2,096 Points:632,245 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 9:04:22 PM Ignore Beaveronparade Report Abuse Wow is right! Never thought about anything other than the electricity as far as the cars being "clean". I'm glad I stuck with gas!
gilfarm Champion Author Alabama Posts:6,781 Points:1,945,915 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 9:04:18 PM Ignore gilfarm Report Abuse Very true!
miiike572 All-Star Author Phoenix Posts:797 Points:522,320 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 9:02:24 PM Ignore miiike572 Report Abuse Dustyhorse, Don't let Barry know that you think that way; he is out to destroy the coal industry. Barry even admits it.
DustyHorse Champion Author Virginia Posts:6,067 Points:1,387,845 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:58:49 PM Ignore DustyHorse Report Abuse Even coal based electricity has to be cleaner than gasoline engines.
heysailor Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:9,567 Points:2,329,645 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:58:42 PM Ignore heysailor Report Abuse Good point
joko0 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:1,950 Points:561,915 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:57:09 PM Ignore joko0 Report Abuse It's always something!
letterchunker Champion Author Texas Posts:2,230 Points:664,650 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:53:07 PM Ignore letterchunker Report Abuse You got it mplato
ProRogue Veteran Author Vancouver Posts:382 Points:1,085,990 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:52:37 PM Ignore ProRogue Report Abuse Union of Concerned Scientists.. Riiiiiiiiiight.
Bigbab Sophomore Author Maine Posts:161 Points:469,610 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:51:41 PM Ignore Bigbab Report Abuse Hmmm!
hoosierdaddyno1 Champion Author Indiana Posts:1,539 Points:1,254,180 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:48:06 PM Ignore hoosierdaddyno1 Report Abuse WOW
mplato Champion Author Columbia Posts:8,234 Points:1,812,245 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:40:06 PM Ignore mplato Report Abuse you have got to be kidding...you mean electric isnt GREEN! obummer trying to sell us a bill of good again!
fullauto Champion Author Reading Posts:5,300 Points:1,468,065 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:38:10 PM Ignore fullauto Report Abuse generated for recharge.
Kamakani Champion Author Denver Posts:2,675 Points:1,272,435 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:37:58 PM Ignore Kamakani Report Abuse Cover your roof with solar panels and put up a wind generator and yer good to go.
MINIWINI598 Champion Author Washington Posts:3,002 Points:515,775 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:36:11 PM Ignore MINIWINI598 Report Abuse ok
SilentpartnerMN Champion Author Minnesota Posts:1,620 Points:475,395 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:35:58 PM Ignore SilentpartnerMN Report Abuse Yep, save the environment by not putting that polluting gas through your car, use electricity from coal burning plants instead.
cutter1330 Champion Author Oklahoma Posts:8,020 Points:1,691,190 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:35:39 PM Ignore cutter1330 Report Abuse Electricity is clean. Generating it sometimes isn't. Dead batteries are never clean. Guess I'll take the IC engine.
Quick68 Champion Author Columbus Posts:8,183 Points:1,222,875 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:34:26 PM Ignore Quick68 Report Abuse After they sell a lot of them then they will tell you how bad they really are.
vincentV All-Star Author Toronto Posts:652 Points:137,305 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:31:42 PM Ignore vincentV Report Abuse Can't afford it.
rjoeh Champion Author Michigan Posts:7,066 Points:2,467,040 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:29:26 PM Ignore rjoeh Report Abuse Regardless what they say... coal with its clean technology is still an environmentally sound method of generating power for homes or EV's and to stop coal energy production is like saying a yellow fire truck is no good unless its red. Wake up people... global warming is a haox and the heat we are feeling is not due to our existence... but a cycle of nature.
200porter Champion Author Toronto Posts:2,050 Points:539,060 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:27:04 PM Ignore 200porter Report Abuse Interesting, bet nobody really thought about where the electricity was coming from.
Chris46 Champion Author Dayton Posts:23,635 Points:2,078,315 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:25:42 PM Ignore Chris46 Report Abuse That's a different slant on things.
darkknight1 Champion Author Winston-Salem Posts:4,320 Points:892,810 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:24:14 PM Ignore darkknight1 Report Abuse No ev's for me
warlord1 Champion Author Georgia Posts:5,230 Points:1,030,975 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:20:29 PM Ignore warlord1 Report Abuse ok
balljars Champion Author Michigan Posts:8,113 Points:1,610,595 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:14:59 PM Ignore balljars Report Abuse Minor I think.
Spirits All-Star Author Florida Posts:911 Points:372,800 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:12:53 PM Ignore Spirits Report Abuse That's interesting.
joeborge Champion Author Ventura Posts:2,521 Points:902,530 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:10:35 PM Ignore joeborge Report Abuse good
radiorumor Champion Author Texas Posts:2,792 Points:749,860 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:10:02 PM Ignore radiorumor Report Abuse If it takes energy to make energy there is going to be greenhouse gases. Less greenhouse gases in the neighborhood but more in the Industrial park. It’s Slim City.
DozenSpeed Champion Author St. Louis Posts:1,293 Points:391,550 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:09:32 PM Ignore DozenSpeed Report Abuse Stupid midwest hillbillies and their evil coal...
umitb Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:3,659 Points:840,415 Joined:Apr 2010	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:04:24 PM Ignore umitb Report Abuse ok
zorgchris Veteran Author Massachusetts Posts:430 Points:295,920 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:03:32 PM Ignore zorgchris Report Abuse Ok
mikaye Champion Author Cleveland Posts:3,814 Points:861,410 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:03:30 PM Ignore mikaye Report Abuse soooo
99church Champion Author Indiana Posts:1,806 Points:359,015 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:03:22 PM Ignore 99church Report Abuse This doesn't make sense ??
Amanstrom Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:1,857 Points:535,180 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:02:29 PM Ignore Amanstrom Report Abuse Interesting
SandeeC Champion Author Ontario Posts:2,983 Points:459,105 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 7:55:37 PM Ignore SandeeC Report Abuse Yeah, you said it jwduke1. And how come they are just now coming out with this "dirty" electricity stuff? I never heard that from all those people who depend on "dirty" electricity to heat their homes, cook their food, etc. Are there no "Union of Concerned Scientists" living in places like Denver?
gasaholicMO Champion Author Missouri Posts:2,621 Points:510,940 Joined:Apr 2010	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 7:55:06 PM Ignore gasaholicMO Report Abuse True, if the same amount of energy is used while driving, but that isn't the case, so this is not so clear cut.
Prodaddy Champion Author Houston Posts:8,360 Points:1,891,185 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 7:54:36 PM Ignore Prodaddy Report Abuse This makes no sense at all
RoadKing95 Champion Author San Jose Posts:20,537 Points:3,600,315 Joined:May 2003	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 7:54:33 PM Ignore RoadKing95 Report Abuse Oh yeah. Oil price . com posts a reponse to a pro article and then use only one facet to argue, and that is the argument of where your electricity comes from. There are other factors mentioned in the article they refer to, such as the savings from electric vs gas. Heck even going to the dirtiest areas of the country getting all electricity from coal, most gas cars aren't as clean even factoring in the dirty coal used. Guess you all like getting your "facts" from big oil !!!
pliskin Champion Author Syracuse Posts:6,066 Points:1,728,895 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 7:53:40 PM Ignore pliskin Report Abuse Really? How about we dig a trench along the eastern border of Cal. and let them be on their own. Let them have their ridiculous BS laws, gasoline types, Nancy Pelosi, etc and the rest of the country alone. Just as we should do with waste they call New York City, a total drain on the rest of the state with welfare, and 6+ million liberal votes compared with the entire rest of the state's total population of barely 4 million people.
jwduke1 Champion Author Iowa Posts:15,604 Points:3,068,265 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 7:50:04 PM Ignore jwduke1 Report Abuse These cars are more expensive to run than a Ford F150!
125MPDay Sophomore Author Virginia Posts:227 Points:538,695 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 7:46:39 PM Ignore 125MPDay Report Abuse * Ever walked into a closed garage after one of these things have fast charged? Ever smell your battery cooking as you charge it with a 50-100 AMP charger? Ever smell a Golf Cart Charging??? Notice the key word here is SMELL?! It burns right? Hum, Sulfuric acid when charged produces Hydrogen-Sulfide Gas - an EPA controlled gas at ANY coal fired electric plant. Now imagine every CAR charging in your 'hood at exactly the same time! Some are 'catching' the fumes with a [charcoal] canister; so what do ya do with dat!? CA has bans on LAWNMOWER usage and WOOD STOVES and Charcoal BBQs BUT WANT electric cars!? Its like the little kid who pulls the cookie jar off the shelf to have it crash on their head and then find there were NO COOKIES in it anyway. Also up for consideration is the incredible loss in getting Electricity to your house and the battery that takes anywhere from 125-150% more electric wattage to charge it too. Of course as they mention all the bad things produced as a by-product of electric production - except hydro which are being discontinued more and more. Not good...
jerej829 Champion Author Memphis Posts:2,836 Points:690,565 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 7:45:00 PM Ignore jerej829 Report Abuse ok
firasatali Champion Author Toronto Posts:3,085 Points:566,625 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 7:43:34 PM Ignore firasatali Report Abuse ok
itsjustme719 All-Star Author Hamilton Posts:611 Points:596,950 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 7:42:52 PM Ignore itsjustme719 Report Abuse Cost of electricity around here doesn't even make sense to buy an EV.
heidi727 Rookie Author South Carolina Posts:17 Points:127,145 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 7:39:42 PM Ignore heidi727 Report Abuse ok
ShutRBug Champion Author Ontario Posts:1,524 Points:652,615 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 7:39:21 PM Ignore ShutRBug Report Abuse So true
camaro_man Champion Author Kitchener-Waterloo Posts:2,216 Points:608,100 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 7:37:45 PM Ignore camaro_man Report Abuse volt!!!!
shea33 Champion Author Pensacola Posts:2,348 Points:539,690 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 7:28:12 PM Ignore shea33 Report Abuse too much
mfeldstein Champion Author Ottawa Posts:8,161 Points:1,928,430 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 7:27:28 PM Ignore mfeldstein Report Abuse There are a myriad of variables to consider. Green ain't easy.
Mermaan Champion Author Boston Posts:1,572 Points:421,235 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 7:26:34 PM Ignore Mermaan Report Abuse biased site, biased site, biased site. It's much more efficient to produce the electricity from a power plant, deliver the power to the car. Than to have your car produce the power in your car's engine. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=bt2