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Vehicle black box requirement may start with 2015 model year

GasBuddy Blog -- Motorists- beware. A U.S. Senate transportation bill (S. 1813) is currently being negotiated in the U.S. House and Senate, and the Senate recently inserted a provision in the bill that would mandate the use of black boxes in all vehicles starting with the 2015 model year.

While this may not mean much for some motorists, it's a sign of what's coming: more government insight into how you drive your vehicle. According to The Newspaper, "Under text of S. 1813, also known as MAP-21, the information stored on an event data recorder could be retrieved under a court order "in the furtherance of a legal proceeding," by employees of the Department of Transportation in the event of an accident, and by anyone "for the purpose of determining the...

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insightcruzer All-Star Author Oakland Posts:552 Points:191,145 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: May 25, 2012 12:18:42 PM Ignore insightcruzer Report Abuse Well, that's enough for me to get out the horse and buggy. It's a sad time when every aspect of our life is under scrutiny.
gasokie Champion Author Oklahoma Posts:3,448 Points:1,326,225 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: May 25, 2012 12:00:05 PM Ignore gasokie Report Abuse Ah yes, I can see it now. Speedlimit signs with their beacons sending signals to your black box of the speed limit..the little black box telling the speed monitor gadget you're speeding, a speeding ticket waiting your arrival at home..via email of course. And if you don't pay it another computer turns your car off. I can see more, but I don't want to look....
Donatelo Champion Author Dayton Posts:1,124 Points:293,545 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: May 23, 2012 9:08:49 AM Ignore Donatelo Report Abuse no
albert2008 Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:7,357 Points:1,481,985 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: May 23, 2012 8:50:51 AM Ignore albert2008 Report Abuse not nice
E-Squirrel Champion Author Orange County Posts:3,015 Points:820,970 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: May 22, 2012 7:13:13 PM Ignore E-Squirrel Report Abuse honda0105 points out: "I don't use OnStar, but the data still needs to be stored SOMEwhere for it to be mined in the world of Big Data." You don't suppose, do you, that GM stores the data that it receives? At the very least, it needs to "store" the data for maintenance and warranty determinations. There is no point in "selling" data that you haven't collected, so its no surprise that GM "stores" this information, and then resells it. GM admits that it "collects" the data, which must mean storing it. Probably, GM has its own programmers mining its database with an eye to reducing warranty costs, and to help sell more fleet vehicles to law enforcement agencies. The Nissan Leaf also breaks new ground, making all of its data available wirelessly to the world.Wikipedia on OnStar CBS News OnStar owner's blog
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,632 Points:1,610,495 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 11:55:55 PM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse I don't use OnStar, but the data still needs to be stored SOMEwhere for it to be mined in the world of Big Data.
E-Squirrel Champion Author Orange County Posts:3,015 Points:820,970 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 6:18:25 PM Ignore E-Squirrel Report Abuse honda0105 cautions: "Esquirrel: but it only does so for about the last 1 - 2 minutes, IIRC. The way I understand the article, there will be a lot more data points stored." Existing OnStar systems report data wirelessly; they don't need to store a lot of data. Existing Volt and Leaf models broadcast data in real-time.
Bridge2012 All-Star Author Kansas Posts:913 Points:271,290 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 9:04:40 AM Ignore Bridge2012 Report Abuse things that make you wonder.
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,632 Points:1,610,495 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 5:42:05 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse Esquirrel: but it only does so for about the last 1 - 2 minutes, IIRC. The way I understand the article, there will be a lot more data points stored.
E-Squirrel Champion Author Orange County Posts:3,015 Points:820,970 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: May 17, 2012 12:18:17 PM Ignore E-Squirrel Report Abuse Before you get too excited about this story, you should know that your present vehicle ALREADY HAS A "BLACK BOX" IN IT. If your vehicle is equipped with air bags, this black box is already in your car, and yes, its data is used to determine how you were driving, typically, just before an accident. The only real change coming will be to make the data more readily available to "authorities". Do you have a GM car equipped with OnStar? Even if you turn "off" this service, it still reports.... Black Box Technology
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,632 Points:1,610,495 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: May 17, 2012 5:37:14 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse BMW: good luck. Might disable the whole vehicle.
blueBMW480 Champion Author Nashville Posts:818,391 Points:841,715 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: May 16, 2012 10:33:41 AM Ignore blueBMW480 Report Abuse I'll pull it out
albert2008 Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:7,357 Points:1,481,985 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: May 16, 2012 8:35:19 AM Ignore albert2008 Report Abuse i hope not
calypso93 Champion Author Scranton Posts:11,208 Points:1,292,610 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: May 16, 2012 6:16:46 AM Ignore calypso93 Report Abuse "does that mean, you get tickets by going over the speed limit even if there's no cop around?" Sure, and since they already have your financial info, the system will just auto-bill you, and then forward the info to your insurance company and credit bureaus.
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,632 Points:1,610,495 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: May 16, 2012 6:00:32 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse does that mean, you get tickets by going over the speed limit even if there's no cop around?
albert2008 Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:7,357 Points:1,481,985 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: May 15, 2012 8:48:50 AM Ignore albert2008 Report Abuse hope not
wildddkattt80 Champion Author Phoenix Posts:2,143 Points:432,145 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: May 15, 2012 8:34:49 AM Ignore wildddkattt80 Report Abuse I do not hear anything good with this,
StArrow68 Champion Author Oakland Posts:3,266 Points:1,362,400 Joined:Apr 2003	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 10:05:27 PM Ignore StArrow68 Report Abuse All I can think of for those that see this as having no downside, watch out what you wish for.
blueBMW480 Champion Author Nashville Posts:818,391 Points:841,715 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 8:01:46 PM Ignore blueBMW480 Report Abuse I can't wait
SparkieMi Champion Author Kalamazoo Posts:3,271 Points:590,335 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 3:37:27 PM Ignore SparkieMi Report Abuse Interesting...
sparky808 Champion Author Honolulu Posts:3,008 Points:599,685 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 1:37:32 PM Ignore sparky808 Report Abuse Thank you for posting.
clpassenubye Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:3,359 Points:755,230 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 12:59:20 PM Ignore clpassenubye Report Abuse good
Smash591 Rookie Author Macon Posts:9 Points:1,510 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 11:58:58 AM Ignore Smash591 Report Abuse Scary stuff... the minute cops begin downloading my driving history and assessing fines after the fact, is the minute I sell my car and ride the bus - it will be much cheaper!
bigoilscamsus Champion Author Lansing Posts:1,058 Points:48,265 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 11:38:39 AM Ignore bigoilscamsus Report Abuse Price alert- price alert-- price alert--- Speedway/Marathon's gas czar has just fixed the new price at $3.89.9 cents per gallon in the Great Lakes States!! This at a time when crude oil prices are10.00 dollars lower than a week ago! This is nothing more than profiteering and price gouging at the American consumers expense!! It is just like shaking the proverbial money tree as the price goes up the money fall from the tree--our wallets-- and into the profit margin of Big Oil --- Congress help us by putting controls on the big Oil monopoly in America!
LeftLane1 Champion Author Georgia Posts:13,961 Points:1,865,440 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 9:52:00 AM Ignore LeftLane1 Report Abuse Now they CAN TAX YOU on any Driving they feel done Unecessary or too fast or too slow, later the govt could even limit your travel by setting limits, taxing you for "using too much fuel" or etc, of course any accident whether your fault or not, even if Not your fault, your data can be used against you, pandora's box + Big Brother combined...
GGAlbo Champion Author Detroit Posts:2,248 Points:1,886,300 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 9:11:33 AM Ignore GGAlbo Report Abuse why so late!
OldMan322 Champion Author Illinois Posts:5,160 Points:1,595,715 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 9:07:19 AM Ignore OldMan322 Report Abuse Yes, Big Brother is watching
w4kh Champion Author Tennessee Posts:11,675 Points:2,229,965 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 9:07:15 AM Ignore w4kh Report Abuse Has to be a slow news day for Big Brother to make it 4 days... Accident investigations, yes, but NOTHING else!
GatorGuy Champion Author Columbia Posts:2,233 Points:1,208,220 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 9:05:13 AM Ignore GatorGuy Report Abuse The automotive equivalent of 666, mark of the beast.
porotito Champion Author Houston Posts:2,155 Points:580,660 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 9:03:26 AM Ignore porotito Report Abuse Does it show idiots using their cell phone?
Bullseye520 Champion Author Louisville Posts:2,202 Points:668,365 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 9:03:15 AM Ignore Bullseye520 Report Abuse Was interesting when first posted.
The3rd Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:2,871 Points:828,210 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 9:02:56 AM Ignore The3rd Report Abuse ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
rippinusoff Champion Author Lexington Posts:7,408 Points:1,488,750 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 9:00:34 AM Ignore rippinusoff Report Abuse we are watching you!
95Vette Champion Author Missouri Posts:2,525 Points:633,405 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 9:00:29 AM Ignore 95Vette Report Abuse I just won't buy a new car... will buy pre-black box... New Camaros already have them as I understand it.... according to a report on a fatality accident here in the KC,MO area a couple years back.. It was determened that he was traveling (drunk) 120mph before slammed into a car carrying a young woman and killed her and seriously injured another in the care. He was hardly hurt. He plead guilty recently to manslaughter and is serving his time. I am sure there will be those who learn how to disable them.. and share the info
cash70 All-Star Author Madison Posts:681 Points:758,725 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 9:00:22 AM Ignore cash70 Report Abuse Ok.
daquanabe Champion Author Houston Posts:1,823 Points:374,875 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 9:00:12 AM Ignore daquanabe Report Abuse For commercial vehicles sure, but not for private.
bowler360 Champion Author Illinois Posts:1,980 Points:500,750 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 8:59:49 AM Ignore bowler360 Report Abuse Let's do it.
moody4u Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:3,847 Points:767,245 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 8:58:44 AM Ignore moody4u Report Abuse Dumb stuff that the Government wants to see into your life. Like the way they track us all with cell phones.
BudsterMO Champion Author Kansas City Posts:3,715 Points:704,905 Joined:Aug 2009	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 8:57:59 AM Ignore BudsterMO Report Abuse This is old news. Don't fear the black box.
fullauto Champion Author Reading Posts:5,325 Points:1,473,040 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 8:57:44 AM Ignore fullauto Report Abuse most have a "black box" all ready - it's called a cell phone. [Edited by: fullauto at 5/14/2012 8:58:14 AM EST]
GasholeMI Champion Author Lansing Posts:10,149 Points:1,719,790 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 8:56:53 AM Ignore GasholeMI Report Abuse This will make our new cars even more unaffordable.
wiwhite87 Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:2,551 Points:666,235 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 8:55:16 AM Ignore wiwhite87 Report Abuse Could could could will. Ahhhh! While I value my privacy, the roads are getting filled with people who no longer value the privilege of driving. maybe a scare can work?
mh44s Champion Author Madison Posts:4,394 Points:1,690,940 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 8:54:35 AM Ignore mh44s Report Abuse Big incentive to buy a 2014 model.
Beboper Champion Author Virginia Posts:8,732 Points:2,164,765 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 8:54:28 AM Ignore Beboper Report Abuse old news
NukeAtComEd All-Star Author Milwaukee Posts:725 Points:338,520 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 8:54:09 AM Ignore NukeAtComEd Report Abuse Big brother and the insurance companies love this one - it is bad enough that Progressive has their system, but at least that is voluntary and the consumer can vote wiht one's pocketbook. NOT ANY LONGER!! With red-light cameras, speeding cameras, general area cameras, cell phone tracking, there will be nowhere the normal citizen will be able to go without being tracked and monitored!
TallSteve Champion Author Dayton Posts:5,164 Points:1,057,470 Joined:Nov 2006	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 8:53:39 AM Ignore TallSteve Report Abuse So make sure you purchase a car before 2015
CharlieC08 Champion Author Colorado Posts:8,077 Points:1,486,075 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 8:53:36 AM Ignore CharlieC08 Report Abuse Old old news.
Mariuxus Champion Author Chicago Posts:3,765 Points:1,872,040 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 8:53:32 AM Ignore Mariuxus Report Abuse Ok....anything new ...?
MightyDude Champion Author Minnesota Posts:10,355 Points:2,649,720 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 8:53:06 AM Ignore MightyDude Report Abuse so much for privacy
RangerTrainer Champion Author Ottawa Posts:2,463 Points:610,420 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: May 14, 2012 8:53:02 AM Ignore RangerTrainer Report Abuse Keep track of illegal movement, what is wrong with that