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Deal calls for pumps that fix ‘hot fuel’ problem

KansasCity.com -- A fix for “hot fuel” is finally on the way.

In a precedent-setting decision, a federal judge has approved Costco Wholesale’s plans to keep customers from being shortchanged because gasoline and diesel fuel lose energy value as their temperature goes up.

In 14 states, not including Kansas and Missouri, Costco is set to be the first retailer to install pumps that automatically adjust fuel volume to account for temperature.
Costco was among several defendants in class-action lawsuits alleging that oil companies and retailers were costing consumers billions of dollars a year by selling them fuel without adjusting for temperature. Last year, Costco was the first to offer to settle the suits, which had landed in U.S. District Court in Kansas City, Kan.

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Submitted Apr 29, 2012 By: ziyulu

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,623 Points:1,609,520 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: May 2, 2012 7:01:32 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse how much is it really different?
crep1291 Champion Author Ottawa Posts:2,579 Points:481,045 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 12:20:20 PM Ignore crep1291 Report Abuse There's the reverse problem in the north. That's why all the gas pumps in Canada say that volumes are "adjusted" for 15C (59F). Not sure if the pumps need to be replaced or if they can simply be upgraded. The cost of a thermocouple (to measure gas temperature) is negligible when compared to the overall price of the pump.
calypso93 Champion Author Scranton Posts:11,203 Points:1,292,385 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 9:51:29 AM Ignore calypso93 Report Abuse I think there's more to this. Maybe the pump adjusts the amount delivered so that you'll have the gallons you paid for once it's heated up in your tank.
Dr Gas Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:3,268 Points:358,365 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 8:50:43 AM Ignore Dr Gas Report Abuse And another thing - WHO do you think will pay for these NEW gas pumps?? Do you think Costco out of the goodness of thier heart will just spring for these!!!????!! No you'll pay either in the store for higher prices or gas that isn't as cheap as it has been !!!
Dr Gas Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:3,268 Points:358,365 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 8:46:00 AM Ignore Dr Gas Report Abuse REALLY !!!!!!! Does 15 cents REALLY MATTER !!!!
JamesCalvin Champion Author Lancaster Posts:3,186 Points:519,555 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 7:49:26 AM Ignore JamesCalvin Report Abuse How will the pumps sense temperature? Will the temperature of the underground gas tanks be used or the temperature of the gas in the pump as is sits in the hot sun? Any body know?
epf Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:6,334 Points:1,891,355 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 5:27:20 AM Ignore epf Report Abuse How about the cold problem in the north?
trinda1 Champion Author Fort Worth Posts:2,011 Points:544,795 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 2:41:58 AM Ignore trinda1 Report Abuse Ok
kgbellman Champion Author Ann Arbor Posts:2,713 Points:731,840 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 1:48:57 AM Ignore kgbellman Report Abuse Interesting thought
frostyWV Champion Author West Virginia Posts:2,339 Points:519,235 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 12:16:47 AM Ignore frostyWV Report Abuse good
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Rageagainsttm Champion Author Tampa Posts:8,303 Points:1,902,980 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 12:12:27 AM Ignore Rageagainsttm Report Abuse ok
gmcgas Champion Author Atlanta Posts:5,953 Points:1,714,170 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 12:12:20 AM Ignore gmcgas Report Abuse i'm sure the government will get it right. they have everything else they touch. sure.....
yakstar Champion Author Montreal Posts:2,420 Points:479,645 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 12:09:49 AM Ignore yakstar Report Abuse hot fudge...
rawdog1313 Champion Author Lexington Posts:3,304 Points:1,642,905 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 12:07:21 AM Ignore rawdog1313 Report Abuse OK..
Zonk Champion Author Michigan Posts:6,481 Points:2,102,765 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 12:07:17 AM Ignore Zonk Report Abuse This is a nightmare waiting to happen.
quasar502 Champion Author Lansing Posts:3,583 Points:801,350 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 12:07:11 AM Ignore quasar502 Report Abuse Methinks the cost will exceed the benifit.
joel27nc Champion Author Raleigh Posts:10,537 Points:1,858,370 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 12:06:54 AM Ignore joel27nc Report Abuse Hard to believe.
jem069 Champion Author Detroit Posts:2,538 Points:687,080 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 12:06:04 AM Ignore jem069 Report Abuse Ok
Jmac2008 Champion Author Missouri Posts:2,274 Points:881,140 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 12:05:24 AM Ignore Jmac2008 Report Abuse why not all stations everywhere
unicornpmb Champion Author Buffalo Posts:8,491 Points:1,629,515 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 12:05:24 AM Ignore unicornpmb Report Abuse Cool, gas that is.
TheSicilian Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:5,379 Points:1,469,750 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 12:04:46 AM Ignore TheSicilian Report Abuse guess we have been getting it in Florida
cheapchickKY Champion Author Lexington Posts:4,017 Points:796,290 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 12:04:14 AM Ignore cheapchickKY Report Abuse I think the premise for this is faulty.
CarolinaBlue150 Champion Author North Carolina Posts:1,430 Points:300,000 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 12:03:51 AM Ignore CarolinaBlue150 Report Abuse Okay
RetFireLT Champion Author Kentucky Posts:2,660 Points:171,185 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 12:02:45 AM Ignore RetFireLT Report Abuse How about a deal that LOWERS the price at the pump.
boatmen Champion Author New York Posts:3,085 Points:622,805 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 12:02:25 AM Ignore boatmen Report Abuse old news
smoketown Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:6,231 Points:1,381,875 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 12:00:27 AM Ignore smoketown Report Abuse ...
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smoketown Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:6,231 Points:1,381,875 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 11:57:20 PM Ignore smoketown Report Abuse Okay...............
TXryder Champion Author Texas Posts:2,709 Points:432,730 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 11:55:30 PM Ignore TXryder Report Abuse That is the least of consumer problems when it comes to getting ripped off by gouged fuel prices.
seahawks Champion Author Washington Posts:3,232 Points:1,964,720 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 11:53:25 PM Ignore seahawks Report Abuse interesting!!!
blazerbob91 Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:6,145 Points:1,883,670 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 11:53:18 PM Ignore blazerbob91 Report Abuse Use the technology
HA4CNN Champion Author Toronto Posts:5,624 Points:1,543,390 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 11:53:06 PM Ignore HA4CNN Report Abuse They have already been adjusting for temperature in Canada for decades now.
MDTDriver Champion Author California Posts:9,724 Points:2,155,395 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 11:52:28 PM Ignore MDTDriver Report Abuse Last year and the year before for 100 years!
bigdipperMS Champion Author Mississippi Posts:1,517 Points:537,750 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 11:52:06 PM Ignore bigdipperMS Report Abuse That would be 60 degrees F.
bigdipperMS Champion Author Mississippi Posts:1,517 Points:537,750 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 11:51:22 PM Ignore bigdipperMS Report Abuse Good for Costco. This is only a real problem in the Southern Zones. Pumps are set for 69 degree F.
NoStrings Champion Author Ventura Posts:1,387 Points:271,280 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 11:50:56 PM Ignore NoStrings Report Abuse Good
mgune9 All-Star Author Dallas Posts:914 Points:200,395 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 11:50:29 PM Ignore mgune9 Report Abuse anything for an advantage over the consumer - just like the companies in New York charging for use of cards
kgbellman Champion Author Ann Arbor Posts:2,713 Points:731,840 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 11:49:52 PM Ignore kgbellman Report Abuse Interesting thought
PithyOpiner Champion Author Stockton Posts:16,205 Points:1,597,545 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 11:48:17 PM Ignore PithyOpiner Report Abuse No big difference to us, the consumers. But, it dings the oil companies big time. To us pennies are meaningless, to them those pennies add up to billions.
USCCRN Sophomore Author Long Island Posts:145 Points:104,240 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 11:48:01 PM Ignore USCCRN Report Abuse Does this apply to all gas stations too? It should.
jrsva Champion Author Virginia Posts:9,852 Points:1,613,000 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 11:47:26 PM Ignore jrsva Report Abuse Carman, please do not SHOUT in the forums. I believe that Costco is a well-run company that wants to turn a profit while treating its customers fairly. There was a very interesting one-hour program about Costco on CNBC just a few days ago.
pgerassi Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:10,896 Points:2,132,355 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 11:47:12 PM Ignore pgerassi Report Abuse Should this way for years.
Eugenian Champion Author Oregon Posts:1,862 Points:362,130 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 11:45:34 PM Ignore Eugenian Report Abuse Cue the posts claiming the fact that gasoline loses energy value as its temperature rises is Obama's fault in 3, 2, 1...
HDFXR1991 Veteran Author Wisconsin Posts:469 Points:141,030 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 11:43:43 PM Ignore HDFXR1991 Report Abuse And now they fix this long over due problem
CiVX Champion Author Oakland Posts:7,055 Points:1,359,610 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 11:43:13 PM Ignore CiVX Report Abuse How much difference can it make?
stopforgas All-Star Author Mississippi Posts:996 Points:480,955 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 11:42:21 PM Ignore stopforgas Report Abuse This is long overdue. I've heard the retailers in the north are the biggest offenders.
carman11 Champion Author North Carolina Posts:3,337 Points:691,725 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 11:38:44 PM Ignore carman11 Report Abuse ANOTHER INTERESTING CASE. WHY HAS NOT ONE THOUGHT OF THIS BEFORE.
oldiesman Champion Author New York Posts:6,432 Points:2,194,935 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 11:37:17 PM Ignore oldiesman Report Abuse Costco to the rescue.